Erik Davos wrote [as a suggestion] that:
>"Unless noted on the individual clue page, all clues and images are
> not to be reproduced without permission."
Could be placed on the web page.
And also
> BTW, the web page itself should be copyrighted, perhaps by Dan, or?
I'd like to say that this makes me feel like we are moving in a
different direction: becoming official or something. Why would we
need to do these things?
Why have intellectual property? Your names are generally not attached
to anything as it is? If someone uses something without permission in
a way that you don't like you can take action against them. Its
implicit that you have the right to do that. You don't need a
statement about it. We have all the evidence we need in case
something like that happens. We will all stick up for you for sure.
The whole group is kept apprised of your clues and most of your the
stamps/stamp art. If we need to we will stick up for one another.
I don't feel that people will be reusing material from
the web site unless they're looking for some letterboxing fun.
Does anybody mind waiting at least to see if their is an incident?
If their are no incidents its a non-issue, right? I think this
would be similar to the vandalism issue. When that happened some
people took actions against it - everything from curses to box
labels to not publishing the clues. If art is stolen or reused
we could have a similar brainstorming session at that time and
come up with (again probably lots of) solutions. What do you
think?
Dan'l
St. Paul, MN
mailto:elf@pclink.com
Ps. Many people have a steak in this and have contributed
to it in one way or another. Some of them are behind the scenes
and technical only. I've not heard one of them concerned about
who might make use of or alter their work. This does not
invalidate the concern people have over their art however.
It just shows that some of the value in what we have is
unseen and can never be (even if we wanted it to be)
compensated. I'd like to say that I greatly appreciate all
of you, but esp. the little people behind the scenes, some
of whom get no recognition whatever.
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Ownership
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Started on 1999-05-07
[L-USA] Ownership
From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1999-05-07 08:47:54 UTC-05:00
[L-USA] Re: Ownership
From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) |
Date: 1999-05-07 08:08:55 UTC-07:00
Daniel Servatius wrote:
>
> I'd like to say that this makes me feel like we are moving in a
> different direction: becoming official or something. Why would we
> need to do these things?
Basically, to keep the honest people honest Dan'l. Probably 90% of
copyright infringement is by people who don't realize they are breaking
the law.
If you have ever had it happen to you (and unfortunately, I have), you
don't mind taking a few precautions. There is nothing wrong with
including a copyright statement on the site. It doesn't change
anything... it is meant to protect the very thing we are trying to do.
It allows us to display our art & clues in a very public manner without
worrying about who is seeing them & what they are doing with them. It
allows us to perpetuate the "innocence" and goodwill that we extend to
anyone who wants to get out and do some letterboxing.
--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things
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>
> I'd like to say that this makes me feel like we are moving in a
> different direction: becoming official or something. Why would we
> need to do these things?
Basically, to keep the honest people honest Dan'l. Probably 90% of
copyright infringement is by people who don't realize they are breaking
the law.
If you have ever had it happen to you (and unfortunately, I have), you
don't mind taking a few precautions. There is nothing wrong with
including a copyright statement on the site. It doesn't change
anything... it is meant to protect the very thing we are trying to do.
It allows us to display our art & clues in a very public manner without
worrying about who is seeing them & what they are doing with them. It
allows us to perpetuate the "innocence" and goodwill that we extend to
anyone who wants to get out and do some letterboxing.
--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things
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[L-USA] Re: Ownership
From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) |
Date: 1999-05-07 12:06:53 UTC-04:00
Daniel Servatius wrote:
> Does anybody mind waiting at least to see if their is an incident?
> If their are no incidents its a non-issue, right?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Why have
a disclaimer? Why have anything? Why wear a seat belt? :-)
I prefer to be proactive rather than reactive. So, the answer is,
yes, I mind. Its silly to wait.
As for the vandalism parallel, I regret not being proactive
about preventing it, as I am sure others are who have had their
hand-carved stamps stolen. Now that we understand better how
to prevent it, of course we would have been proactive had someone
posted a proactive remedy to the list before the first box was
vandalized.
BTW, while I'm here, and this was to be a separate post, I might as
well talk about vandalism with some good news for a change. I
recently hunted a substantial number of boxes. In every case,
I either found the box intact, or failed to come close to where
the clues indicated it was hiding, meaning that not a single box
showed evidence of vandalism. It was a lot of boxes, and this is
good news. There was a common thread, though, in that each of the
boxes required either a persistance to get the clues, get to the
hiding place, or to get to the general geographic location (lets
face it, the road to Mud Pond is not the easiest :-))
So, the conclusion I naturally drew, whether wishful thinking or not,
is that vandals by nature may not be persistent people, so possibly
making persistance a requirement to find your box may mitigate
vandalism. Persistance can be done in many ways, not just with difficult
clues. A 5 mile hike with trivial clues may have the same effect,
provided the box is well concealed.
--
Randy "the mapsurfer"
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> Does anybody mind waiting at least to see if their is an incident?
> If their are no incidents its a non-issue, right?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Why have
a disclaimer? Why have anything? Why wear a seat belt? :-)
I prefer to be proactive rather than reactive. So, the answer is,
yes, I mind. Its silly to wait.
As for the vandalism parallel, I regret not being proactive
about preventing it, as I am sure others are who have had their
hand-carved stamps stolen. Now that we understand better how
to prevent it, of course we would have been proactive had someone
posted a proactive remedy to the list before the first box was
vandalized.
BTW, while I'm here, and this was to be a separate post, I might as
well talk about vandalism with some good news for a change. I
recently hunted a substantial number of boxes. In every case,
I either found the box intact, or failed to come close to where
the clues indicated it was hiding, meaning that not a single box
showed evidence of vandalism. It was a lot of boxes, and this is
good news. There was a common thread, though, in that each of the
boxes required either a persistance to get the clues, get to the
hiding place, or to get to the general geographic location (lets
face it, the road to Mud Pond is not the easiest :-))
So, the conclusion I naturally drew, whether wishful thinking or not,
is that vandals by nature may not be persistent people, so possibly
making persistance a requirement to find your box may mitigate
vandalism. Persistance can be done in many ways, not just with difficult
clues. A 5 mile hike with trivial clues may have the same effect,
provided the box is well concealed.
--
Randy "the mapsurfer"
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