On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@gmail.com wrote:
> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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That is how you sometimes have to look at it.

Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out
of the geocaches I accidentally find. I won't, I am better then that,
but it makes me want to.

--
Nathan Brown
AKA Cyclonic

The best things in life arn't things at all.

Letterboxes need a sticker: "This is not a geocache!"

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:06 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!

On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@gmail.com wrote:
> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity.
> Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer
> flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box.
> Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came.
> Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't
> soon forget. :~) Socks3
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That is how you sometimes have to look at it.

Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out of
the geocaches I accidentally find. I won't, I am better then that, but it
makes me want to.

--
Nathan Brown
AKA Cyclonic

The best things in life arn't things at all.



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I've seen a lot of people labeling their boxes like that. Also what seems to work is writing on the stamp "Not For Trade," the way a geocacher would do to indicate that a particular item is supposed to stay in the cache.

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Brent Gourley wrote:

From: Brent Gourley
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Frustrating!
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:17 PM


Letterboxes need a sticker: "This is not a geocache!"

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:06 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!

On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@gmail.com wrote:
> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity.
> Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer
> flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box.
> Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came.
> Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't
> soon forget. :~) Socks3
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>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>

That is how you sometimes have to look at it.

Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out of
the geocaches I accidentally find. I won't, I am better then that, but it
makes me want to.

--
Nathan Brown
AKA Cyclonic

The best things in life arn't things at all.



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I feel your pain. I recently had a geocacher remove my box and put his in its place. My trailname at the time was linda0910 so he figured I must have been a letterboxer in 2009/2010. He told me that he thought my box must be old and I am not letterboxing anymore. He liked the spot so he took it thinking my box was trash. On the plus side I got to him before he actually threw it away.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, sweaters3@... wrote:
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> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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Which begs the question...."What is this box then? It looks like a geocache with a trinket inside. What's the difference?"




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> From: Brent Gourley
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:17:36 PM
>Subject: RE: [LbNA] Frustrating!
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>Letterboxes need a sticker: "This is not a geocache!"
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:06 PM
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!
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>On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@gmail.com wrote:
>> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity.
>> Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer
>> flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box.
>> Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came.
>> Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't
>> soon forget. :~) Socks3
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>That is how you sometimes have to look at it.
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>Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out of
>the geocaches I accidentally find. I won't, I am better then that, but it
>makes me want to.
>
>--
>Nathan Brown
>AKA Cyclonic
>
>The best things in life arn't things at all.
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I generally put that on the inside lid of my boxes "THIS IS A LETTERBOX -- THIS IS NOT A GEOCACHE."
 
~~ Cindy ~~


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From: Suzanne Coe
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Frustrating!



 

I've seen a lot of people labeling their boxes like that. Also what seems to work is writing on the stamp "Not For Trade," the way a geocacher would do to indicate that a particular item is supposed to stay in the cache.

--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Brent Gourley wrote:

From: Brent Gourley
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Frustrating!
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:17 PM

Letterboxes need a sticker: "This is not a geocache!"

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:06 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!

On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@gmail.com wrote:
> Three and a half mile hike.  90 degree temperatures.  Humidity.
> Overgrown trail.  Forgotten water bottle.  Pesky, persistent deer
> flies. Found letterbox!  Found journal.  Found no stamp in the box. 
> Found Geocacher card.  ARRGHH!!  No way back except the way we came. 
> Frustrating!!  On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't
> soon forget.  :~)  Socks3
>
>
>
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>
>

That is how you sometimes have to look at it.

Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out of
the geocaches I accidentally find.  I won't, I am better then that, but it
makes me want to.

--
Nathan Brown
AKA Cyclonic

The best things in life arn't things at all.

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Aloha All! As a major geocacher that also letterboxes secondarily I'm sorry
to hear of all the alleged problems with Geocachers. That saddens me. I
was searching for a cache yesterday when I was pleasantly surprised when
what I thought was the actual cache turned out to be a letterbox. Yea us!
It was an easy find since it wasn't that well hidden. The actual geocache
turned out to be an even easier find since it was laying out in the open
with nothing near to have been hidden in or around. (sigh) Hopefully we've
hidden both much better than found. In this case both the letterbox and
geocache clearly stated what they were. The letterbox included the log
book, slips of paper with the name and website, and a paper towel wrapped
stamp. Unfortunately it did not include a stamp pad and ours was DRY! Dang
it! Since we don't always read the cache pages prior to searching (driving
home from work without the PDA) it was nice to read upon logging that the
cache owner states that the letterbox is nearby and to please be sure and
replace it as you would a geocache should you happen upon it. I do believe
that the majority of cachers attempt to treat letterboxes as they would a
geocache; especially those that have placed some of their own. Those same
cachers are hopefully denoting the possibility of a letterbox in the area on
their cache pages if they know about it. I know I did as soon as cachers
started logging having found a letterbox that popped up right next to one of
my caches placed years earlier.



With all the "hunting" games out now (geocaching, terracaching,
letterboxing) the cross contamination is probably going to be an even bigger
issue in the future. (Last year, after finding a geocache we opted to visit
the little civil war museum the cache took us to. The proprietor asked what
brought us there and we told him and thanked him for allowing the placement.
He then asked if we had found the letterbox and directed us to it.
Wonderful! We signed and stamped. He then asked how we liked the cache
"down there". Huh? That's not where we were. He walked us over so that we
could find our first terracache. All three within a 150' radius!) Now we
try and search all three categories when going to place a cache and will
make reference to what is found on the cache page if applicable and mark our
cache containers appropriately. It seems to be working for us.



To Linda ~ hopefully you gave the cacher that removed your box a good
talking to. That is unacceptable in any game. Especially if it indicated
what it was within or on.



Aloha! Ann



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Where was this? Please give me the name of the box, and a reasonably-close description of where it is. If I can, I will figure out which geocache it is, and I will write to the owner to ask that s/he write in the Description of the cache that there is a letterbox nearby. I can also post a Note on any geocache in the area, telling folks to make *sure* that they have a geocache, and not a letterbox.

Also, have you written to the LB owner about this? There is a possibility that the cache was there first; I can't know until I know where this was, and which LBs and GCs were involved. I've seen it both ways, truly: boxes hidden when caches were already there, and caches hidden when boxes were already there. I've tried to work with both parties involved, to get the second one moved. It's not hard, usually, once the owners of each know what the deal is. Only once did I not get a reply, and that was long ago.

One of the advantages of doing both is that I can help both.

Jim (the other half of chaosmanor)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, sweaters3@... wrote:
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> Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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I did manage to track down the cacher through the geocaching website. Everything is resolved now. I was just surprised that he assumed it was no longer a valid letterbox simply because of the numbers on my trail name.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc" wrote:
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> Where was this? Please give me the name of the box, and a reasonably-close description of where it is. If I can, I will figure out which geocache it is, and I will write to the owner to ask that s/he write in the Description of the cache that there is a letterbox nearby. I can also post a Note on any geocache in the area, telling folks to make *sure* that they have a geocache, and not a letterbox.
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> Also, have you written to the LB owner about this? There is a possibility that the cache was there first; I can't know until I know where this was, and which LBs and GCs were involved. I've seen it both ways, truly: boxes hidden when caches were already there, and caches hidden when boxes were already there. I've tried to work with both parties involved, to get the second one moved. It's not hard, usually, once the owners of each know what the deal is. Only once did I not get a reply, and that was long ago.
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> One of the advantages of doing both is that I can help both.
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> Jim (the other half of chaosmanor)
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> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, sweaters3@ wrote:
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> > Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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What is a geocacher card? Are they to stay in the box??

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote:
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> On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@... wrote:
> > Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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> That is how you sometimes have to look at it.
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> Makes me wonder, I almost feel like I want to take all of the junk out
> of the geocaches I accidentally find. I won't, I am better then that,
> but it makes me want to.
>
> --
> Nathan Brown
> AKA Cyclonic
>
> The best things in life arn't things at all.
>

It's a card left by a geocacher who thought the letterbox was a geocache. Geocaching is a finding-and-trading game--you take something from the cache, you leave something of yours. In this case, the cacher left his/her card & took the stamp. :( It happens. Sometimes writing "Not For Trade" on the stamp will prevent it....
The card has no relevance as far as the box is concerned.
Sheba

--- On Sat, 9/22/12, k.savino wrote:

From: k.savino
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 1:43 PM


What is a geocacher card?Are they to stay in the box??

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote:
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> On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@... wrote:
> > Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3



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Sheeba, thanks for the great reply! (I have been away from the computer for a bit and just now saw this post.) Great explanation ~ thanks! Socks3


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Coe wrote:
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> It's a card left by a geocacher who thought the letterbox was a geocache. Geocaching is a finding-and-trading game--you take something from the cache, you leave something of yours. In this case, the cacher left his/her card & took the stamp. :( It happens. Sometimes writing "Not For Trade" on the stamp will prevent it....
> The card has no relevance as far as the box is concerned.
> Sheba
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> --- On Sat, 9/22/12, k.savino wrote:
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> From: k.savino
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Frustrating!
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, September 22, 2012, 1:43 PM
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>
> What is a geocacher card?Are they to stay in the box??
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> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Nathan Brown wrote:
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> > On 5/29/2012 12:14 PM, sweaters3@ wrote:
> > > Three and a half mile hike. 90 degree temperatures. Humidity. Overgrown trail. Forgotten water bottle. Pesky, persistent deer flies. Found letterbox! Found journal. Found no stamp in the box. Found Geocacher card. ARRGHH!! No way back except the way we came. Frustrating!! On the upside, it is a letterboxing adventure we won't soon forget. :~) Socks3
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