Hmmm.... A lot of good ideas. Regarding the profiling aspect, I looked
on LBNA. That letterboxer only has one box listed. As for why? I like
the ideas about Winchendon and the Flat Rock Sanctuary. The box could
have a deeper meaning.

If I find this box and it has a stash of PZ Kut located nearby, I'll
have a slight guess at the identity of the placer, but beyond
that....geesh, I have no clue.

I believe if we are to have a chance at the County in the next shot, we
might as well inquire as to whether it is located in Worcester. Or
possibly a variation, such as, "Does the box exist in a county that
shares it's name with one of its communities?" But this may just about
yield the same information as asking if the box is in Middlesex county.

Well, all I can say for sure is this; The placer is most likely enjoying
our discussions back and forth. It seems that this kind of discussion
is exactly what is meant by it's creation.

Blax
who's really enjoying this mystery



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The word Ephemeral means something lasting a very short time. An example are some "Spring Ephemeral" flowers, they're only out very briefly. So I assumed the Ephemeral Letteboxer was an ID this boxer uses only for short periods of time, for specific purposes, like this game. I would bet they have a lot more than one plant out there under thier regular trail name. I though it was a pretty cool name to use for this game.

Jim Plouffe wrote: Hmmm.... A lot of good ideas. Regarding the profiling aspect, I looked
on LBNA. That letterboxer only has one box listed.


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Why is everyone assuming the box is in a park of some sort.
What if its an urban box?

Well, if we were down to 9 questions and a county with 60 towns.
8 / 30, 7 / 15, 6 / 8, 5 / 4, 4 / 2, 3 / 1. With two questions
left...

Hmmm, doesn't look promising.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gretchen Caldwell"
wrote:
>
> Ok..so we have 3 counties. At worst, it will take 2 questions to
figure
> out which one. That leaves us with 9 questions. Narrowing it
down to
> which town....Worcester county has 60 towns (Essex has 34 and
Middlesex has
> 54). Even if you split that alphabetically (A-M) or
geographically (N or
> S of I-90), that leaves a lot of possibilities open, I could see
us being
> left with 1 or 2 questions at that point (and that's just using
Worcester
> co. as an example).
>
>
>
> Here is an alphabetical list of towns by county:
>
> http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/elecct/cctidx.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> There's also this little gem that was passed along to me:
>
>
http://www.massaudubon.org/Nature_Connection/Sanctuaries/images/maps/
flatroc
> k_locator.gif
>
>
>
> Another thought: 20 questions is a child's game. Winchendon is
known for
> kid's toys. Possible connection?
>
>
>
> Boston Rott
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I'm not making any assumptions, I'm just trying to think of ways to rule out
large, selected areas. Ruling out every library by asking "is it in a
library" still leaves you with a LOT of area to cover. Ruling out parks
may cut out some serious acrerage.



If you have ideas, let's hear them! :-)





Boston Rott

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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of stampin.stanley
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:22 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Q10



Why is everyone assuming the box is in a park of some sort.
What if its an urban box?





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Well, I've got the "incidence" of towns, by letter, by county counted out.
I.e. there are 2 A towns in Essex Co, 5 A towns in Middlesex Co., and 3 A
towns in Worcester Co. ... and so on through the alphabet.



Perhaps once it's narrowed to a county, we can figure out some way to start
sifting through towns...



Boston Rott



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I considered that it could be an urban letterbox, but then considered
whether that question at this time would yield anything substantive.

How is the term urban used? I know that some areas of a city that would
be considered urban could pass for suburban. Could the term "urban" be
substituted with "city". I would also imagine, in my head anyways, that
a question of whether it is in a park or not would yield similar results
as whether it was in Worcester County. It would only confirm or deny a
particular area or location, similar to Boston Rott's ideas. In fact, I
think that any question that substantially narrows the field, would be
reasonable.

Libraries, I agree, would "not be prudent at this juncture" (borrowed
phrase), although....... if you asked if it was in a town with a library
that carries The Letterboxer's Companion

by Randy Hall, then maybe we'd be talking. :0)

Blax



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According to the Minuteman library catalog, the McCaulife Library in
Framingfish (Middlesex co) has this book, on the "hold shelf." :-)



Boston Rott



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although....... if you asked if it was in a town with a library
that carries The Letterboxer's Companion
s_1/002-1510852-0461616?%5Fencoding=UTF8>
com/gp/product/0762727942/sr=8-1/qid=1150421539/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-1510852-046
1616?%5Fencoding=UTF8>
by Randy Hall, then maybe we'd be talking. :0)

Blax






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I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
the "where".

This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had a
hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still could
be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of 2005"
which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the same
lines of creativity.

I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!

So far we have been taking a conservative approach to our questions. Each of the questions, for the most part have eliminated approximately half of the remaining population (low risk, low rewards). Unfortunately, as Boston Rott and Noreester have pointed out, at the current pace we are going to run low on questions with which to pinpoint the box once we figure out the town or city. At some point we will need to make a risky guess (high risk, high reward).

I believe the time will come (or maybe it is here) to ask a high risk question. We need to figure out how to ask a question that gives us a low risk with a high reward. If we keep thinking in geographic terms, I'm afraid we won't be able to increase our reward without also increasing the risk. I think we have started this process by sharing thoughts on things other than where.

I have noticed a couple things that may or may not be useful. The Ephemeral Letterboxer has only put this on LBNA and not AQ. Do we know of other boxers in the area who do this? The trail name (ephemeralletterboxer) doesn't use capitalization. Sort of like ackletterboxer, capecodletterboxer and the lazy letterboxer.

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts


-----Original Message-----
From: joyceybear
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:50:56 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Q10


I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
the "where".

This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had a
hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still could
be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of 2005"
which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the same
lines of creativity.

I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!










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I agree. Good observation about the captialization, which would
also support my Leominster theory (the lazy letterboxer). I think
I'm going to go with my hunch and ask the Leominster question. With
it being random, there's only a small chance of it being picked
anyway. If I'm wrong - I apologize now!



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, LundyandVickster@... wrote:
>
> So far we have been taking a conservative approach to our
questions. Each of the questions, for the most part have eliminated
approximately half of the remaining population (low risk, low
rewards). Unfortunately, as Boston Rott and Noreester have pointed
out, at the current pace we are going to run low on questions with
which to pinpoint the box once we figure out the town or city. At
some point we will need to make a risky guess (high risk, high
reward).
>
> I believe the time will come (or maybe it is here) to ask a high
risk question. We need to figure out how to ask a question that
gives us a low risk with a high reward. If we keep thinking in
geographic terms, I'm afraid we won't be able to increase our reward
without also increasing the risk. I think we have started this
process by sharing thoughts on things other than where.
>
> I have noticed a couple things that may or may not be useful. The
Ephemeral Letterboxer has only put this on LBNA and not AQ. Do we
know of other boxers in the area who do this? The trail name
(ephemeralletterboxer) doesn't use capitalization. Sort of like
ackletterboxer, capecodletterboxer and the lazy letterboxer.
>
> Larry
> Lundy and Vickster
> North Shore, Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joyceybear
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:50:56 -0000
> Subject: [LbNA] Q10
>
>
> I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
> the "where".
>
> This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had
a
> hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still
could
> be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of
2005"
> which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
> letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the
same
> lines of creativity.
>
> I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
> bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Greetings,
The lazy letterboxer here! I have been following this thread with great interest. Let me say, honestly, that I do not have anything to do with this nor do I know who ephemeralletterboxer is, although I do have my suspicions. As much as I would love to think that the box is in Leominster, I really don't think it is.
Deanne the lazy letterboxer
----- Original Message -----
From: LundyandVickster@aol.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Q10


So far we have been taking a conservative approach to our questions. Each of the questions, for the most part have eliminated approximately half of the remaining population (low risk, low rewards). Unfortunately, as Boston Rott and Noreester have pointed out, at the current pace we are going to run low on questions with which to pinpoint the box once we figure out the town or city. At some point we will need to make a risky guess (high risk, high reward).

I believe the time will come (or maybe it is here) to ask a high risk question. We need to figure out how to ask a question that gives us a low risk with a high reward. If we keep thinking in geographic terms, I'm afraid we won't be able to increase our reward without also increasing the risk. I think we have started this process by sharing thoughts on things other than where.

I have noticed a couple things that may or may not be useful. The Ephemeral Letterboxer has only put this on LBNA and not AQ. Do we know of other boxers in the area who do this? The trail name (ephemeralletterboxer) doesn't use capitalization. Sort of like ackletterboxer, capecodletterboxer and the lazy letterboxer.

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts


-----Original Message-----
From: joyceybear
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:50:56 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Q10

I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
the "where".

This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had a
hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still could
be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of 2005"
which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the same
lines of creativity.

I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!

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My last question (again wasn't picked) was using a different approach, and
I might ask it again. I asked if the location had a connection to any
type of event that may take place on or about June 26? I figured that is
when the 20th and final clue would be announced. Being of temporal
nature, I thought of checking event calendars. I did see something about
Highland Games, but I don't know of a connection to FLAT rocks. They do
heave some pretty large boulders. I don't have much geographical
knowledge of the area, but I am still trying to play along.

speedsquare

--- LundyandVickster@aol.com wrote:

> So far we have been taking a conservative approach to our questions.
> Each of the questions, for the most part have eliminated approximately
> half of the remaining population (low risk, low rewards). Unfortunately,
> as Boston Rott and Noreester have pointed out, at the current pace we
> are going to run low on questions with which to pinpoint the box once we
> figure out the town or city. At some point we will need to make a risky
> guess (high risk, high reward).
>
> I believe the time will come (or maybe it is here) to ask a high risk
> question. We need to figure out how to ask a question that gives us a
> low risk with a high reward. If we keep thinking in geographic terms,
> I'm afraid we won't be able to increase our reward without also
> increasing the risk. I think we have started this process by sharing
> thoughts on things other than where.
>
> I have noticed a couple things that may or may not be useful. The
> Ephemeral Letterboxer has only put this on LBNA and not AQ. Do we know
> of other boxers in the area who do this? The trail name
> (ephemeralletterboxer) doesn't use capitalization. Sort of like
> ackletterboxer, capecodletterboxer and the lazy letterboxer.
>
> Larry
> Lundy and Vickster
> North Shore, Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joyceybear
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:50:56 -0000
> Subject: [LbNA] Q10
>
>
> I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
> the "where".
>
> This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had a
> hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still could
> be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of 2005"
> which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
> letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the same
> lines of creativity.
>
> I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
> bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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I was wondering the same thing but came up with nothing. But after I did a different type search I came up with something fairly close by accident.

I searched for Flat Rock and Massachusetts and I came up with a hit that talked about a Solstice Rock in Boxborough. The Summer Solstice occurs on June 21 or 22 sometime so this may be a little late for that but it is a possibility.

http://www.newview.org/salem/solstice%2Drock/

This page also talks about two rock mounds that form a turtle shape. I know of a letterboxer (who I considered as being behind all this) near that area that has turtle elements in their clues and trail name. Could it be a coincidence?

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts


-----Original Message-----
From: ruhlette
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Q10


My last question (again wasn't picked) was using a different approach, and
I might ask it again. I asked if the location had a connection to any
type of event that may take place on or about June 26? I figured that is
when the 20th and final clue would be announced. Being of temporal
nature, I thought of checking event calendars. I did see something about
Highland Games, but I don't know of a connection to FLAT rocks. They do
heave some pretty large boulders. I don't have much geographical
knowledge of the area, but I am still trying to play along.

speedsquare

--- LundyandVickster@aol.com wrote:

> So far we have been taking a conservative approach to our questions.
> Each of the questions, for the most part have eliminated approximately
> half of the remaining population (low risk, low rewards). Unfortunately,
> as Boston Rott and Noreester have pointed out, at the current pace we
> are going to run low on questions with which to pinpoint the box once we
> figure out the town or city. At some point we will need to make a risky
> guess (high risk, high reward).
>
> I believe the time will come (or maybe it is here) to ask a high risk
> question. We need to figure out how to ask a question that gives us a
> low risk with a high reward. If we keep thinking in geographic terms,
> I'm afraid we won't be able to increase our reward without also
> increasing the risk. I think we have started this process by sharing
> thoughts on things other than where.
>
> I have noticed a couple things that may or may not be useful. The
> Ephemeral Letterboxer has only put this on LBNA and not AQ. Do we know
> of other boxers in the area who do this? The trail name
> (ephemeralletterboxer) doesn't use capitalization. Sort of like
> ackletterboxer, capecodletterboxer and the lazy letterboxer.
>
> Larry
> Lundy and Vickster
> North Shore, Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joyceybear
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:50:56 -0000
> Subject: [LbNA] Q10
>
>
> I was also trying to think along the lines of the "who" instead of
> the "where".
>
> This may be a shot in the dark, but from the very beginning I had a
> hunch it would be located somewhere near Leominster (which still could
> be true). I only think this because of the "Flamingo Caper of 2005"
> which was held here last year. It was a very creative twist to
> letterboxing. The 20Q letterboxing game seems to be along the same
> lines of creativity.
>
> I'd love to ask "Is the box in Leominster, or in any city or town
> bordering Leominster", but I'm too scared to waste a question!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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That sounds quite plausible! :-) And you're not the only one thinking
along those lines. Sounds like a good question to ask. :-)



Boston Rott

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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of LundyandVickster@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:43 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Q10



I was wondering the same thing but came up with nothing. But after I did a
different type search I came up with something fairly close by accident.

I searched for Flat Rock and Massachusetts and I came up with a hit that
talked about a Solstice Rock in Boxborough. The Summer Solstice occurs on
June 21 or 22 sometime so this may be a little late for that but it is a
possibility.

http://www.newview.
org/salem/solstice%2Drock/

This page also talks about two rock mounds that form a turtle shape. I know
of a letterboxer (who I considered as being behind all this) near that area
that has turtle elements in their clues and trail name. Could it be a
coincidence?

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts





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I thought Deanna (the lazy letterboxer) said that she had nothing to
do with it (in a previous post)? Seems whoever it is probably won't
deny their identity, but just won't bother to respond to that
question. Just my take, anyway.

-- the B's

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "joyceybear"
wrote:
>
> I agree. Good observation about the captialization, which would
> also support my Leominster theory (the lazy letterboxer). I think
> I'm going to go with my hunch and ask the Leominster question. With
> it being random, there's only a small chance of it being picked
> anyway. If I'm wrong - I apologize now!
>

I agree with you that it is probably not "the lazy letterboxer" now
that she wrote that response. I wrote my theory before she posted
that, and once I read that I gave up on it. (Now Leominster has
been eliminated anyway.)



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "the_beeeez"
wrote:
>
> I thought Deanna (the lazy letterboxer) said that she had nothing
to
> do with it (in a previous post)? Seems whoever it is probably
won't
> deny their identity, but just won't bother to respond to that
> question. Just my take, anyway.
>
> -- the B's
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "joyceybear"
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. Good observation about the captialization, which would
> > also support my Leominster theory (the lazy letterboxer). I
think
> > I'm going to go with my hunch and ask the Leominster question.
With
> > it being random, there's only a small chance of it being picked
> > anyway. If I'm wrong - I apologize now!
> >
>