I'm sorry if I'm stirring up controversy. I don't mean to point
fingers at Ryan or anyone else. They are all doing their best to
make decisions for all of us. My comments about Ryan were uncalled
for... I'm falling victom to the passion of the argument, and I
apologize.

It just felt to me like something sneaky has been going on behind the
scenes. And I think others felt that way, too. It has become a very
huge issue here in the PNW. I do not believe for one minute that any
of the LbNA folks had anything at all to do with the disappearance of
WoL. But I think it's naive to be surprised that people suspect
that, when we have a history of practicing censorship at the whim of
our moderators without establishing what the rules are officially.
All I was trying to say, is that if we can't be upfront about what's
happening, don't be surprised if people react with suspicion. Like I
said, censorship breeds mistrust.

I agree with Der Mad Stamper that there is a lot of passion in the
voices around here and most of it is probably excessive, including my
own. But, as he has so accurately concluded: "censorship breeds
mistrust". The censorship issue rooted my question of whether there
are moderators or dictators?

And hello to ndnboxing, whom I would also like to respond to. I
understand that it may have been annoying to see Steve's website
promotion at every post, but the fact of the matter is (for me) that
there are a lot of annoying things about this list. By no fault of
the people in it, but there just wasn't a "place" for everyone. New
people began to be treated like street bums. Not only that, but
regional posts were "forced" upon everyone simply by the nature of
this list. Responses to posts are scattered through the list and hard
to follow. Fueds ensue and all of it gets emailed to everyone whether
they want to read it or not.

The idea of having a forum (lbworld.org) was a vast improvement for
all the above reasons. Trying to direct people there wasn't
compitition as much as a desire for the above problems to cease for
the sake of peace and resourcefulness.

And by the nature of "list posting", responses to a certain thread are
read by people who missed the entirety of that thread and begin to
take comments personally when they aren't meant as such... at least
not to them. Viola... fued.

I don't like it, but for "some reason" it's the only option I have to
say what I feel. If this was lbworld you could just ignore the
thread, but... it isn't.

-Quiet Place


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Der Mad Stamper"
wrote:
> I'm sorry if I'm stirring up controversy. I don't mean to point
> fingers at Ryan or anyone else. They are all doing their best to
> make decisions for all of us. My comments about Ryan were uncalled
> for... I'm falling victom to the passion of the argument, and I
> apologize.
>
> It just felt to me like something sneaky has been going on behind
the
> scenes. And I think others felt that way, too. It has become a
very
> huge issue here in the PNW. I do not believe for one minute that
any
> of the LbNA folks had anything at all to do with the disappearance
of
> WoL. But I think it's naive to be surprised that people suspect
> that, when we have a history of practicing censorship at the whim
of
> our moderators without establishing what the rules are officially.
> All I was trying to say, is that if we can't be upfront about
what's
> happening, don't be surprised if people react with suspicion. Like
I
> said, censorship breeds mistrust.