Jay; Well spoken, but that's why you are emeritus, of counsel, and the Holy one. Reverently........Snowbird

Drew Family wrote:As Ryan correctly points out, yes, there are too rules! I'm not sure
where the catchy phrase "the only rule is that there are no rules"
started. I've never agreed with the sentiment. Someday I'll play with
my creaky dial-up and do a search on the phrase.

In any event, the webmasters have been contacted a couple of times
recently by land managers and land owners about inappropriate
letterbox placements, and I thought I would Review the Rules
concerning planting letterboxes with everyone.

Some are well defined and shouldn't be open to interpretation:
-Do not letterbox in National Parks.
-Do not letterbox on private property without permission.
-Letterbox following the Leave No Trace ethic (www.lnt.org).

Some are more "guidelines:"
-Think about mentioning terrain, distance, and potential hazards.

And some are "customs:"
-Find, stamp-in, and rehide carefully, without disturbing the
landscape and without giving the box location away.

Thanks for listening!
Jay in CT, one of several web managers for LbNA, who points out more
didactic lectures available below;
-----
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq/faq.html#015

Are There any Rules?
The old cliche is that the only rule is that there are no rules. That
is true for the art of letterboxing in many senses, although there is
some common sense etiquette:
Respect the land when hunting boxes and when hiding them. Don't place
a box that requires people to tramp through sensitive wildlife or
plant habitat to find it, for example. Warn hunters of possible
hazards in the area of the box in your clue notes. Use common sense.
If you have any doubts, ask the land owner or manager, or simply
choose another location for your activities. Adopt the Leave No Trace
principles of outdoor etiquette. Remember, some lands have
restrictions on land use; know them and observe them.

Don't publish or re-transmit other peoples' clues or stamp images
without their permission.

Repack and hide the thing as well or better than it was when you
found it, in the exact place you found it. After finding it, try to
be discreet when stamping up and re-hiding it, as if you were hiding
your own box for the first time. When I find one, I usually carry it
deeper into the woods to stamp up, so as to not give away its
location to any passerby's, then put it back when I am done.

Do not post clue solutions on the Internet or discuss how to solve
clues in public fora. That spoils the fun for everyone else.

Of course, do not violate the laws, rules, customs, and people's or
property rights wherever you conduct any activities.



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Hi again, I keep seeing the baggy rules listed. Where are the rules?

Geogeorgia

Hey Geogeorgia,

Try this link to Atlas Quest, http://atlasquest.com/aboutlb/
another site containing clues and other info. Check out the FAQ
page and the glossary page, alot of the terms we use may sound
criptic themselves. Another great way to learn about planting is to
go out and find 'different' peoples boxes to get an idea how others
do it, then add your own little twist. I suggest finding 5-10 boxes
before planting to all new boxers. Unfortunately I didn't have that
opption back when I started and my first few suffered. Which box
did you find by accident? (A few of us would like to know)

The baggie rule isn't a rule but is being disscused more as a
proceedure. Most boxes leak water so putting your log in a good
ziplock is a must but then we noticed double bagging them helps
elminate user error. Putting the stamp in a bag is nice, so that
the ink from it doesn't get all over everything. Once all of that
is in it's tupperware then some people stick their box in a larger
Ziplock. I personally don't use outer bags anymore because once it
gets a little hole in it it's useless. To each his own right.

Boxdn,

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "arm858rite066"
wrote:
>
> Hi again, I keep seeing the baggy rules listed. Where are the
rules?
>
> Geogeorgia

It occurred to me that this topic, should it continue, ought to move to regional lists as
climates vary widely and change with the seasons. It seems like it has been beaten to
death here.

~speedsquare

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "arm858rite066" wrote:
>
> Hi again, I keep seeing the baggy rules listed. Where are the rules?
>
> Geogeorgia

What carving? That was not a carving, that was a name
engraved with a penknife. Send the bill to Don & Gwen.
They should be pleased to know that their names are
immortalized in one of New Yorks hotspots. Better
than being in the Groover Hall of Infamy. We all know
that Don is full of sh*t on that one. What else is he
full of?

Do you have anything to say for yourself, Don? Let me
help you along. What ever did happen to Silent Dougs
Key? How did it manage to disappear from a securely
locked car in your driveway? While I am quite certain
you will claim innocence in any wrong doing, the
answer seems to be quite obvious. You were the guilty
party!

Keys and ewes go missing in your presence. What else
are you guilty of? A missing Store of Good Manners?
Time to step up and confess the error of your ways.

By your own admission, you are glad there are no rules
in letterboxing. No rules? No rules, now I ask? For a
guy who advocates being nice to newbies, you sure go
on a lot of letterboxing/shooting jaunts. Just what is
it that you are shooting? In your book, are rules made
to be broken? Are there any unbreakable rules?

Sincerely,

Investigator Francis Bacon




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Dear Investigator Bacon

Your approach is totally wrong as well as YOUR manners. Coming from
someone that knows, being obnoxious will get you nothing. Bringing a
fellow investigator into this goes against all ethical standards. Now
HAD I absconded with a Store of Good Manners then you would have no
clue. Your ineptness is quite apparent, and I wonder if you could
track an elephant in the snow.

Years of sneakiness and stealth ness acquired by being a Private
Investigator and the stealth practices used in letterboxing have
honed my skills way past your abilities.

Most hardcore letterboxers know the value of being stealthy, whether
it is their number 1 letterbox or their 67th. Only a dufus walks
right up to a planted box without being stealthy as it puts that box
at risk.
The word "stealth" is derived from the word steal, and while most of
us understand the common definition of `steal', there is one that is
seldom used; "to move silently or secretly". While I have used the
term stealth on many occasions on this and other chatlists, I would
not steal (common definition) anyones' Store of Good Manners.
Good Manners are too hard to come by, and too easily dismissed.

I will not confess to something that I did not do. I did not steal
the Store of Good Manners.
Evidence of my innocence can be found by my being able to contain my
manners on the Newboxer chatlist.

Now regarding my being full of sh*t, that is a comment that is
familiar and all too often mentioned, and while it may be true in
some cases, in the "Great Groover Caper" that entire story is true.
The length of the story precludes it from presentation in this note
plus the story is best told in person. Suffice to say that the Thief
and the Cops both thought the ending was pretty crappy, and anyone
that wishes a first hand rendition just has to ask. The thief's
future is surely questionable to say the least, since stealing a full
Groover (aka porta potty) from the back end of a pickup truck
certainly would not qualify him for Mensa.

Likewise the story of Silent Doug's Key was indeed fact. The key
wasn't missing, SD left it in the rental car, engine running, and
locked the door of the car sitting in our driveway all in his
excitement of finally meeting someone that has put up with me for so
many years Gwen.

Sure I tend to exaggerate a bit, but never steal.

I didn't steal the EWE. I was helping the Basque herdsmen trying to
locate that little ewe.
It just took me a while to understand that they weren't trying to
chase me off when they kept saying "You be gone!"

Now we are ready to embark on our summer time letterboxing/clay-
shooting jaunt, so please realize that you are way off base in
bringing me/us into this investigation. Your time can be better spent
by sticking to any clue that points toward someone that would benefit
from having an absence of Good Manners.

While we are gone I have asked my Nephew Wassamatta_u to come to our
defense.
Now I'm sure "That" news is a mind blower for many, maybe even for
Wassamatta_u, but we have a relative that was a home delivery
milkman, but that is another story, for another time. This was
discovered recently by one of my genealogy searches.
Hopefully further accusations won't be forth coming, but if they are
then they will be dispensed with quite effectively no matter how
twisted and inaccurate they may be.
Wassamatta_u is very erudite and even makes old news interesting in
his blogs on AQ.

All bills forwarded in this direction will be properly ignored
particularly from some fancy New York restaurant.

Don


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Investigator Francis Bacon
wrote:
>
> What carving? That was not a carving, that was a name
> engraved with a penknife. Send the bill to Don & Gwen.
> They should be pleased to know that their names are
> immortalized in one of New York's hotspots. Better
> than being in the Groover Hall of Infamy. We all know
> that Don is full of sh*t on that one. What else is he
> full of?
>
> Do you have anything to say for yourself, Don? Let me
> help you along. What ever did happen to Silent Doug's
> Key? How did it manage to disappear from a securely
> locked car in your driveway? While I am quite certain
> you will claim innocence in any wrong doing, the
> answer seems to be quite obvious. You were the guilty
> party!
>
> Keys and ewes go missing in your presence. What else
> are you guilty of? A missing Store of Good Manners?
> Time to step up and confess the error of your ways.
>
> By your own admission, you are glad there are no rules
> in letterboxing. No rules? No rules, now I ask? For a
> guy who advocates being nice to newbies, you sure go
> on a lot of letterboxing/shooting jaunts. Just what is
> it that you are shooting? In your book, are rules made
> to be broken? Are there any unbreakable rules?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Investigator Francis Bacon
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
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Investigator Bacon,



You accuse Don of stealing the Store of Good Manners, and use as evidence
his failure at stealth.



I can only surmise that you are familiar with the good works of the man for
whom you are ostensibly named. No, I do NOT mean Francis Thomas Bacon, the
English engineer who developed the first practical
hydrogen-oxygen fuel cell. Nor do I
mean Francis Bacon the painter, whose art was so well known for its bold,
austere, and often grotesque imagery. Rather, I mean Sir Francis Bacon, the
English philosopher, essayist, and scientist. As you must undoubtedly know,
Bacon pioneered "The Scientific Method" in which the CAUSE of a phenomenon
can be isolated by gathering observable, empirical, measurable evidence, and
subjecting them to specific principles of reasoning.



I submit to you, sir (though not Sir), that you are completely failing to
adhere to the tenets of The Scientific Method in your dealings with my Uncle
Don. More about that in a bit, but first.



UNCLE DON?!?!?!!!??!!!



(deep, calming breath. must. maintain. composure.)



Growing up in the backwoods of Kernville (how's THAT for redundant?), Uncle
Don and I spent many an hour on the back porch of the cabin shooting the
breeze (and anything else that moved). But the thing is, even though I
CALLED him "Uncle Don", I never actually figured we were related. I mean,
let's face it, mom introduced me to a different "Uncle" pretty much every
week, so I never really gave it much thought. When I was in Grade 2 (along
with the rest of the Kernville teens), that year alone I had 66 "Uncles"!
So the fact that Don really IS my uncle, well, that ALONE shows you just how
stealthy he is!



So, genealogical surprises aside, let us take a closer look at your
accusation of my dear, dear blood-relative, Uncle Don. The first step in
The Scientific Method requires us to "gather observable evidence." I ask
you, have you ever actually OBSERVED Uncle Don being stealthy? NO! Of
course not! In order to observe him being stealthy, he would have to be
unstealthy, in which case you would be observing unstealthiness instead of
his natural stealthitudity (hold on a minute here while I disable my
spell-checker). So, we can conclude Scientifically that because you have
NOT observed him being stealthy, he must therefore BE stealthy!



The second point in the Scientific Method involves Gathering Empirical data.
I ask you, have you EVER met anyone MORE Imperious than Uncle Don at a
Gathering? I think not. (And Uncle Don, if you're reading this, I mean
that in the most loving and respectful way possible...) According to The
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, "stealth" means "Secret, Clandestine".
Now, a "Gathering" is neither Secret, nor Clandestine - if it was, it would
be a "Soloing". And since Uncle Don is, as referenced earlier, the most
imperious person at a Gathering (in this case, "Imperious" meaning "Regal"),
he is therefore the King of the Gathering. Uncle Don King, so to speak.
And as we were taught in the Arthurian legend "L'morte de Arthur", the King
IS the Country. In this case, then, Uncle Don IS the Gathering. Therefore,
by applying the Transitive property (that's MATH, not cross-dressing): If
Uncle Don=Gathering, and Gathering=Non-Stealth, then logically we get Uncle
Don=. wait a sec. uh, ummm, never mind. Oh look! A shiny object! No,
wait. that's just Uncle Don's head.



And finally (as if this hasn't gone on long enough), we come to the
Scientific Requirement for "Measurable Evidence." I remember once when I
was a kid, Uncle Don and I were going to go out fishing, me with my
cane-pole and bent safety-pin hook, Uncle Don with his Red Ryder
Carbine-action Range Model Shotgun with the compass in the stock. Somebody
asked Uncle Don "Which way is North?" Now, MOST people would make use of
the fact that there was a compass in the stock, and provide the inquirer
with proper directions. But not Uncle Don. Nope. Uncle Don simply pointed
the shotgun straight up in the air, and pulled the trigger. Aunt Gwen was
not really thrilled by this, seeing as we were in their trailer at the time,
but the incident DOES go to the point that Uncle Don refused to use an
instrument of measurement. In fact, Uncle Don to this day never uses
measurements of any kind! Ask him how good he is at Shooting Clays (he
never WAS an American Idol fan), he will reply "immeasurable." Ask him how
good his carvings are, he will reply "immeasurable." Ask him how much he
loves and respects Aunt Gwen, and he will reply "immeasurable." (< --
blatant sucking up here; Christmas is just around the corner, and they owe
their Nephew several decades worth of back-presents.) So I ask you,
Investigator Bacon, how do you propose to gather "Measurable Evidence" from
a man for whom nothing is measurable! You CAN'T! Face it, based on the
Scientific Principle, you haven't a leg to stand on (especially if you
happen to ask Uncle Don "Which way is South?").



And so, Investigator Bacon, I will leave you to form new and (hopefully)
improved theories, as my response has made the need for this painfully clear
(or at least, painful to read). And Uncle Don, if you're reading this. NO
MORE UNDIES for Christmas! I got Boxers and Briefs coming out my ears!



Respectfully,

wassamatta_u







_____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of gwendontoo
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:47 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Rules




Dear Investigator Bacon

Your approach is totally wrong as well as YOUR manners. Coming from
someone that knows, being obnoxious will get you nothing. Bringing a
fellow investigator into this goes against all ethical standards. Now
HAD I absconded with a Store of Good Manners then you would have no
clue. Your ineptness is quite apparent, and I wonder if you could
track an elephant in the snow.

Years of sneakiness and stealth ness acquired by being a Private
Investigator and the stealth practices used in letterboxing have
honed my skills way past your abilities.

Most hardcore letterboxers know the value of being stealthy, whether
it is their number 1 letterbox or their 67th. Only a dufus walks
right up to a planted box without being stealthy as it puts that box
at risk.
The word "stealth" is derived from the word steal, and while most of
us understand the common definition of `steal', there is one that is
seldom used; "to move silently or secretly". While I have used the
term stealth on many occasions on this and other chatlists, I would
not steal (common definition) anyones' Store of Good Manners.
Good Manners are too hard to come by, and too easily dismissed.

I will not confess to something that I did not do. I did not steal
the Store of Good Manners.
Evidence of my innocence can be found by my being able to contain my
manners on the Newboxer chatlist.

Now regarding my being full of sh*t, that is a comment that is
familiar and all too often mentioned, and while it may be true in
some cases, in the "Great Groover Caper" that entire story is true.
The length of the story precludes it from presentation in this note
plus the story is best told in person. Suffice to say that the Thief
and the Cops both thought the ending was pretty crappy, and anyone
that wishes a first hand rendition just has to ask. The thief's
future is surely questionable to say the least, since stealing a full
Groover (aka porta potty) from the back end of a pickup truck
certainly would not qualify him for Mensa.

Likewise the story of Silent Doug's Key was indeed fact. The key
wasn't missing, SD left it in the rental car, engine running, and
locked the door of the car sitting in our driveway all in his
excitement of finally meeting someone that has put up with me for so
many years .Gwen.

Sure I tend to exaggerate a bit, but never steal.

I didn't steal the EWE. I was helping the Basque herdsmen trying to
locate that little ewe.
It just took me a while to understand that they weren't trying to
chase me off when they kept saying "You be gone!"

Now we are ready to embark on our summer time letterboxing/clay-
shooting jaunt, so please realize that you are way off base in
bringing me/us into this investigation. Your time can be better spent
by sticking to any clue that points toward someone that would benefit
from having an absence of Good Manners.

While we are gone I have asked my Nephew Wassamatta_u to come to our
defense.
Now I'm sure "That" news is a mind blower for many, maybe even for
Wassamatta_u, but we have a relative that was a home delivery
milkman, but that is another story, for another time. This was
discovered recently by one of my genealogy searches.
Hopefully further accusations won't be forth coming, but if they are
then they will be dispensed with quite effectively no matter how
twisted and inaccurate they may be.
Wassamatta_u is very erudite and even makes old news interesting in
his blogs on AQ.

All bills forwarded in this direction will be properly ignored
particularly from some fancy New York restaurant.

Don

--- In letterbox-usa@
yahoogroups.com, Investigator Francis Bacon
wrote:
>
> What carving? That was not a carving, that was a name
> engraved with a penknife. Send the bill to Don & Gwen.
> They should be pleased to know that their names are
> immortalized in one of New York's hotspots. Better
> than being in the Groover Hall of Infamy. We all know
> that Don is full of sh*t on that one. What else is he
> full of?
>
> Do you have anything to say for yourself, Don? Let me
> help you along. What ever did happen to Silent Doug's
> Key? How did it manage to disappear from a securely
> locked car in your driveway? While I am quite certain
> you will claim innocence in any wrong doing, the
> answer seems to be quite obvious. You were the guilty
> party!
>
> Keys and ewes go missing in your presence. What else
> are you guilty of? A missing Store of Good Manners?
> Time to step up and confess the error of your ways.
>
> By your own admission, you are glad there are no rules
> in letterboxing. No rules? No rules, now I ask? For a
> guy who advocates being nice to newbies, you sure go
> on a lot of letterboxing/shooting jaunts. Just what is
> it that you are shooting? In your book, are rules made
> to be broken? Are there any unbreakable rules?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Investigator Francis Bacon
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
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Letterboxing may not have rules, but it does have certain expectations
with regards to boxes. Letterboxing etiquette requests that one reseal
baggies, return all items to the box, reseal the box against the
elements and return the box to its proper hiding place. When someone
new or a nonboxer violates these, many in the boxing community are
highly offended. Etiquette requests, that a finder apply first aid as
able when an injured box is found.

Page 63 of the non-rule book says, "It has been said many times that
the only rule is that there are no rules, and this is certainly true
of the pastime of letterboxing... However, there are some
conventions, etiquette, and other guidelines you should be aware of."

A Rose by any other name.....


> Not only are you suggesting a rule, you are therefore suggesting the use
> of specific web site(s) and levels of performance on those web site(s)
> in order to comply with this suggested rule.
>
>
> JMHO, of course,
> Cheers
> Randy
>

> Page 63 of the non-rule book says, "It has been said many times that
> the only rule is that there are no rules, and this is certainly true
> of the pastime of letterboxing... However, there are some
> conventions, etiquette, and other guidelines you should be aware of."
>
> A Rose by any other name.....

* Suggesting a rule, convention, or guideline and documenting
existing rules, conventions, and guidelines in various media
without making them up oneself are categorically different things,
and implicitly suggesting that they are the same makes no logical
sense.

I'm out as well. You get the last word. Make it hurt.

But, at least we answered the question on placement density; it
is not generally accepted as a good idea based on recent
posts, and several people have pointed out several problems
with it.

Resealing boxes is a convention, placement density rules will
not become one because of the lack of general acceptance. In
fact, some people prefer densely placed boxes. OTOH, it is rare
to find someone who prefers a poorly resealed box. The comparison
makes no sense as all, at least to me. I'm sure it does to
someone.

That said, anyone is free to develop a letterboxing web site that
attempts to enforce placement density, if they want to.

Cheers
Randy
(and I'm "pretentious", not "pedantic", and yes, it is a pejorative
adjective, not name calling, but heck, a rose by any other name ... ;-))

pedantic was not a word I used. I don't recall using any names or
descriptors.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
>
> > Page 63 of the non-rule book says, "It has been said many times that
> > the only rule is that there are no rules, and this is certainly true
> > of the pastime of letterboxing... However, there are some
> > conventions, etiquette, and other guidelines you should be aware of."
> >
> > A Rose by any other name.....
>
> * Suggesting a rule, convention, or guideline and documenting
> existing rules, conventions, and guidelines in various media
> without making them up oneself are categorically different things,
> and implicitly suggesting that they are the same makes no logical
> sense.
>
> I'm out as well. You get the last word. Make it hurt.
>
> But, at least we answered the question on placement density; it
> is not generally accepted as a good idea based on recent
> posts, and several people have pointed out several problems
> with it.
>
> Resealing boxes is a convention, placement density rules will
> not become one because of the lack of general acceptance. In
> fact, some people prefer densely placed boxes. OTOH, it is rare
> to find someone who prefers a poorly resealed box. The comparison
> makes no sense as all, at least to me. I'm sure it does to
> someone.
>
> That said, anyone is free to develop a letterboxing web site that
> attempts to enforce placement density, if they want to.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
> (and I'm "pretentious", not "pedantic", and yes, it is a pejorative
> adjective, not name calling, but heck, a rose by any other name ... ;-))
>

I'm sorry if the use of "pedantic" offended you. I used it to mean "overly
precise," not "trivial," though reading back it was still probably not the
right word for what I was looking for. I did not intend for anything to be
pejorative or insulting, just descriptive.

Regardless, no one was trying to make up rules. You said it best yourself:

Suggesting a rule, convention, or guideline and documenting
existing rules, conventions, and guidelines in various media
without making them up oneself are categorically different things,
and implicitly suggesting that they are the same makes no logical
sense.

We cool brah? *hifives*

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM, baqash51 wrote:

> pedantic was not a word I used. I don't recall using any names or
> descriptors.
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> Randy Hall wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Page 63 of the non-rule book says, "It has been said many times that
> > > the only rule is that there are no rules, and this is certainly true
> > > of the pastime of letterboxing... However, there are some
> > > conventions, etiquette, and other guidelines you should be aware of."
> > >
> > > A Rose by any other name.....
> >
> > * Suggesting a rule, convention, or guideline and documenting
> > existing rules, conventions, and guidelines in various media
> > without making them up oneself are categorically different things,
> > and implicitly suggesting that they are the same makes no logical
> > sense.
> >
> > I'm out as well. You get the last word. Make it hurt.
> >
> > But, at least we answered the question on placement density; it
> > is not generally accepted as a good idea based on recent
> > posts, and several people have pointed out several problems
> > with it.
> >
> > Resealing boxes is a convention, placement density rules will
> > not become one because of the lack of general acceptance. In
> > fact, some people prefer densely placed boxes. OTOH, it is rare
> > to find someone who prefers a poorly resealed box. The comparison
> > makes no sense as all, at least to me. I'm sure it does to
> > someone.
> >
> > That said, anyone is free to develop a letterboxing web site that
> > attempts to enforce placement density, if they want to.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Randy
> > (and I'm "pretentious", not "pedantic", and yes, it is a pejorative
> > adjective, not name calling, but heck, a rose by any other name ... ;-))
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Regardless, no one was trying to make up rules.

We will have to agree to disagree. Whether the R word
is used or not, it is what it is. Letterboxers do not presently
observe placement density conventions, and it was suggested that
they do so. I didn't object because I thought this was a rule,
but because I thought it was a bad idea, regardless of what it
is called.

> We cool brah? *hifives*

We are.

Cheers
Randy

Yeah, it seems like it wasn't a great idea, but it was a reasonable one. I
was actually just repeating what I was told when I was first starting
anyhow.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Randy Hall wrote:

>
> > Regardless, no one was trying to make up rules.
>
> We will have to agree to disagree. Whether the R word
> is used or not, it is what it is. Letterboxers do not presently
> observe placement density conventions, and it was suggested that
> they do so. I didn't object because I thought this was a rule,
> but because I thought it was a bad idea, regardless of what it
> is called.
>
> > We cool brah? *hifives*
>
> We are.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
>
>


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