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Databasing

6 messages in this thread | Started on 2000-11-29

Re: Databasing

From: John De Wolf - PA (jdewolf@mail.icrsurvey.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 14:32:46 UTC

> Jeremy Irish wrote:
> > 1. A few letterboxers have expressed that their letterboxes
should be on
> > their own web page, since the clues may be part of the design.

I would think, as was suggested by someone else, that the original
clue pages could still be linked to. Couldn't there be a cental
database, including fields such as name of box, state, county,
difficulty, date hidden, mystery location, owner/contact, kid
appropriateness (?), and probably others too. A search would simply
return a list of links to the clue pages. The box owner, when
submitting the clues could decide which field to populate. Some
clues (mapsurfer, drew, orient express,...) will not lend themselves
to be databased, but most will.

> > 2. Letterboxes are considered "copyrighted material", so cannot be
> > centralized into one database.

I don't think that would be a concern if the clues aren't copied or
changed. If the owner submits fields and links to the database, I
can't imagine anyone objecting.

> > 3. A few letterboxers fear others "profiting" from their
letterboxes (by
> > providing advertising, selling a book, etc.)

www.letterboxing.org is ad-free so if the database resides there,
there shouldn't be any concern.

> >
> > (did I miss anything?)
>

I think you correctly identified the issues that were raised at the
time. As stated above, I think they're fairly simple to get around,
although I lack the technical expertise to do so.

Eric, Jeremy, Jay, others?, does any of this make sense?

Lone Wolf


Re: [LbNA] Re: Databasing

From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 08:27:31 UTC-07:00
John De Wolf - PA wrote:
>
>
> I think you correctly identified the issues that were raised at the
> time. As stated above, I think they're fairly simple to get around,
> although I lack the technical expertise to do so.
>
> Eric, Jeremy, Jay, others?, does any of this make sense?

I guess the "spin the bottle" of responsibility has been foisted on me
to announce... well, actually not much.

The group of us that comprise the "webmaster" list have been tossing
around the database & tabular clue "maps" for several weeks now. We all
agree that the current map dots and laborious updating method is very
near to being overloaded. Mitch and others have presented some
interesting working models that we are trying to reach concensus on so
we can present something to the general list. At present, the best I
can offer is "stay tuned"...



--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

Re: Databasing

From: John De Wolf - PA (jdewolf@mail.icrsurvey.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 18:50:23 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@egroups.com, Thom Cheney wrote:
> John De Wolf - PA wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think you correctly identified the issues that were raised at
the
> > time. As stated above, I think they're fairly simple to get
around,
> > although I lack the technical expertise to do so.
> >
> > Eric, Jeremy, Jay, others?, does any of this make sense?
>
> I guess the "spin the bottle" of responsibility has been foisted on
me
> to announce... well, actually not much.
>
> The group of us that comprise the "webmaster" list have been tossing
> around the database & tabular clue "maps" for several weeks now.
We all
> agree that the current map dots and laborious updating method is
very
> near to being overloaded. Mitch and others have presented some
> interesting working models that we are trying to reach concensus on
so
> we can present something to the general list. At present, the best
I
> can offer is "stay tuned"...
>
>
>
> --
> Thom Cheney
> tcgrafx... among other things

Thom,

Thank you for your brief update of the "behind-the-scenes"
discussions that are on-going. I don't think those preclude a
healthy debate in a more public forum like this list, and allows for
those who may have ideas/input/expertise to contribute that. Seems
harmless to me to discuss these issues in public...

Along the same lines, do the "webmasters" have any procedure in place
that allow the members of this list (well over 150 now) to be
regularly updated on their activities, or perhaps even "listen in"
on their discussions?

John
Lone Wolf

PS: I would love to see some of these working models you mention...


Re: [LbNA] Re: Databasing

From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 12:03:42 UTC-07:00
John De Wolf - PA wrote:
>
> Thank you for your brief update of the "behind-the-scenes"
> discussions that are on-going. I don't think those preclude a
> healthy debate in a more public forum like this list, and allows for
> those who may have ideas/input/expertise to contribute that. Seems
> harmless to me to discuss these issues in public...

No harm & we certainly aren't trying to keep anything secret! I believe
the archives are open to public viewing. As you know John, we have the
webmaster list in place so we keep the nuts & bolts off this list.
>
> Along the same lines, do the "webmasters" have any procedure in place
> that allow the members of this list (well over 150 now) to be
> regularly updated on their activities, or perhaps even "listen in"
> on their discussions?

Again, I think the webmaster list archives are open to the public. We
are just trying to keep the day to day maintenance & minutae off the
letterboxing list. While this move will be much more than trivial, most
of the subscribers in the past have felt that this list should be
reserved for letterboxing & not website construction!

As for viewing the tabular models, I'll leave that up to the various
creators. As stated before, we are really trying hard to come to a
consensus on how everything will fit together to meet everyone's needs.


--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

Re: [LbNA] Re: Databasing

From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 13:01:17 UTC-07:00
John De Wolf - PA wrote:
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@egroups.com, Thom Cheney wrote:
> >
> > Again, I think the webmaster list archives are open to the public.
>
> Thom,
>
> If you go to http://www.egroups.com/group/lbna-webmasters, you'll
> note that the archives are restricted to members only. I think it
> would be delightful if you were willing to open them up to others.


oops... sorry for the misdirection! I'm just the flaky artist... I'll
certainly raise the issue immediately.

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

Re: Databasing

From: John De Wolf - PA (jdewolf@mail.icrsurvey.com) | Date: 2000-11-29 20:27:18 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@egroups.com, Thom Cheney wrote:
>
> Again, I think the webmaster list archives are open to the public.

Thom,

If you go to http://www.egroups.com/group/lbna-webmasters, you'll
note that the archives are restricted to members only. I think it
would be delightful if you were willing to open them up to others.

Sincerely,

John