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Letterbooks?

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[L-USA] Letterbooks?

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1998-12-01 18:20:19 UTC-06:00
I'm interested in doing a letterbook. Tom Cooch (VT) is already on the inside
with his local librarians who have given him the green light to do a
letterbook. Well, I'd like to do one too. I think its a great idea for cold or
rainy days to be able to collect a letterbox stamp from indoors.

Could some of you revisit some of the ideas that were being bandied about last
summer when this was a hot topic? Was the general idea to have the contents of
books be clues? If so, what happens if the a intended for clues is checked
out? Or did I get it right how it is supposed to work? I may have been asleep
that day...

Dan

Ps. When one of you publishes the first Letterbox USA book, it can be part of a
letterbook hunt at your local library! ;-)
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: erik/susan davis (davisarc@wcvt.com) | Date: 1998-12-01 21:53:08 UTC-08:00
Dan (and all)
One thing that appealed to me was to get a book from the discard pile at
the library (perhaps from a book sale), hollow it out and put the stamp
and notebook inside. That way, the library staff doesn't need to store
the "letterbox" items someplace else. And, for those inclined to sneak
one into a library without knowledge of the staff (hmmm- maybe not a
good idea?), it would look like one of the regular items on the shelf
(call letters on the spine, etc) but would not appear in the
card/computer catalogue, so it might likely be overlooked for a while
except by letterbook hunters.

Conceptually I like this idea, but really, its FAR better to work
cooperatively with your library, as Tom is apparently doing.

Then, there were the ideas of fabricating a book jacket, something
cryptic relating to the hobby,putting it over an old, hollowed-out book
and getting it placed with cooperation of the library staff.

And then, there was the literary clue-search, requiring one to search
through several different books to devise the final clue to the location
- this I'll bet is Tom's approach.
Hmmmm - another nice reason to go over the mountain. I promise I will
sometime, Tom. This idea will span the cold season!
Erik

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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1998-12-02 18:20:30 UTC-06:00
erik/susan davis wrote:
> And then, there was the literary clue-search, requiring one to search
> through several different books to devise the final clue to the
> location this I'll bet is Tom's approach.

That's the method of letterbooking that I remember. I was just wondering what
happens if clue #1 reads, "Go to The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, page 14."
but Huckelberry Finn happens to be checked
out. Should there be multiple ways to derive the clues so if a
book that's critical to the clues is checked out there would be an alternative
way to get the stamp? Does this make sense? Or would
it be OK if you just have to wait or find the book elsewhere?

Dan
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: (Letterboxr@aol.com) | Date: 1998-12-02 21:21:41 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 12/2/98 9:44:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, MixtMedia@aol.com
(Deborah) writes:

> I agree that it would be better for the project to be carried out
> with the blessing of the system, but there is something appealing
> about the underground aspect of just putting the art out there.
> Theoretically it is the same process as our putting letterboxes
> out on public land without permission, but is different in that the
> space is so much more limited than the great outdoors. The biggest
> concern I'd have is that a hundred people might decide to place
> letterbooks in the same library someday. Scary....

Very scary! Whether we do our Letterboxing in the great outdoors, on the
shelves of libraries, or behind the bar at our favorite local taverns, the
concept does not change very much. We must always be careful not to over-
saturate any given area with boxes. Letterboxing should not be an Easter egg
hunt... it should be more like a rare, exotic treasure hunt.

Thom and I have discussed the fact that the Rock Creek area is nearing the
saturation point. (in more ways than one, thanks to these never-ending rains
we've been getting - ha!) There are probably a few more spots worth
considering, but soon we will reach the point were we will need to focus our
efforts elsewhere. It's no fun if there are letterboxes in every nook, cranny
and crevise you look into. This would "cheapen" the public's perception of
the hobby.

Letterboxing is a game of respect. Respect for the artists who create the work
within, and for the places in which the letterboxes are hidden. We must
choose our locations wisely.
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Mary Ellen Foley (mef@netcom.com) | Date: 1998-12-02 23:34:02 UTC-08:00

> erik/susan davis wrote:
> > And then, there was the literary clue-search, requiring one to search
> > through several different books to devise the final clue to the
> > location this I'll bet is Tom's approach.

Once when I was in ENgland, a friend of mine took me to see the library
at Cambridge University. We had to sign a paper saying I was there to
look at the architecture, and that I wouldn't read any books -- no joke!
Non-university people really AREN'T supposed to use the library...

But the thing that really blew me away was the card catalog. This was a
few years ago, but not more than 7 or 8, and the card catalog was not
yet on computer (well, I think maybe the NEWEST books were on
computer). The catalog consisted mainly of huge bound books, into which
librarians pasted little hand-written notices of where the books are,
leaving space in between the cards for insertion of cards for books
purchased later. It was a medieval system!

They don't use Dewey decimal or Library of Congress, they have their own
system, and it is tremendously arcane. Books are categorized by what
rooms they are in, which may or may not have to do with subject matter,
and the books in each room are number differently. It is VERY difficult
for the average student to find things, and the librarians set up little
clue searches just like you were describing. When you find the
first book, it tells you to look up a second book but you have to go
through the baffling system to find it. Don't know what they do to
prevent the books involved from being removed, but maybe they only put
clues in books nobody has checked out since the time of Isaac Newton (oh,
wait, he was in Oxford...or was he?)

Anyway, I'm mostly writing to say good-bye. Hey, that message is only
vaguely, tangentially associated with letterboxing -- that's a clue. I'm
afraid I just don't have time to keep up with the list traffic -- you
folks are prolific! -- and I'm quite ashamed of how lax I've been about
upholding my responsibilities as California rep on the letterboxing map
(actually, I've asked to be removed from that). I got to go on vacation
this year, for the first time in 3 years, and we did go to England, but
couldn't get to Dartmoor. But somehow, when you come back from
vacation, there's even MORE to do. I just don't have time for letterboxing,
over here or over there or anywhere.

Problem: I can't find anything that tells me how to get off of this mailing
list. Sorry to be such a dim bulb, here, but I guess I wiped off
whatever mail I had about list business like unsubbing. Could somebody
wipe me off of the list, or clue me in?

Have fun, y'all, I'm sure I'll be back, maybe in the summer,

Mary Ellen Foley, failed letterboxer


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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Tom Cooch (tcooch@sover.net) | Date: 1998-12-03 09:20:29 UTC
I'm enjoying the discussion of letterbooks a lot, and thought I'd
share a little of what I'm doing at our library.

It really makes sense to me to involve the librarians. Randolph is a
small town, and I have known the librarians for many years. They are
all enthusiastic about letterboxing and letterbooking, and this will
help immensely in promoting the hobby here. There will be an
informational sheet on letterboxing on both the upstairs (adult) and
downstairs (children) bulletin boards, and a copy of the Smithsonian
magazine in which our article appeared. The library has a couple of
computers hooked up to the Internet, and Letterbox USA will be
bookmarked.

In this first letterbook, which has some difficult clues, the
librarians will have sheets with easier sets of clues to give out on
request (two easier levels). They will also have envelopes with
needed information/materials from the books involved to give to
searchers if any of these books should be checked out. The final
(hollow) book, in which the stamp and journal are hidden, will be in
the library, but hidden in such a fashion that it will never be
checked out. I don't want to say just how that is arranged.

The first level of clues (the hardest) is aimed at middle-level kids
(grades 5 - 8), who like problem solving. Even with the easier clues,
this will likely be too hard for younger children. I look forward to
creating some easier ones later on in the winter.

One approach would be to give out only one clue initially, which
would lead to a book containing the next clue. In this case, I have
listed all the clues, in order to give searchers a head start on some
of the decoding; there might not be time to do it all in an hour or
two at the library.

It's possible to figure out a lot of the puzzle from the given
clues, but there is also a final puzzle at the end which requires
being in the library and having gotten your hands on the books
themselves. This final activity is, I think, the best part of the
quest, and very much in the spirit of letterBOXing. So while the
clues given could all be unraveled without ever leaving your
computer, this is not just a cyber-adventure.

Since the letterbook is not yet in place, I haven't posted clues on
the Vermont/Randolph page yet. But you can access it at the following
address on Dan's site:

http://www.pclink.com/elf/kimball.htm

I invite any of you who are interested to identify the five books
cached in the clues, and to decode the two encrypted sections. Please
send answers or spoiler-type questions to me off-list. I will let you
know if you get them right (and the list, unless you ask me not to).
I will also send you copies of the easier clues on request.

The clues are probably not yet in their final form, so your input
will be helpful!

Good luck.

Tom



> Reply-to: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:53:08 -0800
> From: erik/susan davis
> To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
> Subject: [L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

> Dan (and all)
> One thing that appealed to me was to get a book from the discard pile at
> the library (perhaps from a book sale), hollow it out and put the stamp
> and notebook inside. That way, the library staff doesn't need to store
> the "letterbox" items someplace else. And, for those inclined to sneak
> one into a library without knowledge of the staff (hmmm- maybe not a
> good idea?), it would look like one of the regular items on the shelf
> (call letters on the spine, etc) but would not appear in the
> card/computer catalogue, so it might likely be overlooked for a while
> except by letterbook hunters.
>
> Conceptually I like this idea, but really, its FAR better to work
> cooperatively with your library, as Tom is apparently doing.
>
> Then, there were the ideas of fabricating a book jacket, something
> cryptic relating to the hobby,putting it over an old, hollowed-out book
> and getting it placed with cooperation of the library staff.
>
> And then, there was the literary clue-search, requiring one to search
> through several different books to devise the final clue to the location
> - this I'll bet is Tom's approach.
> Hmmmm - another nice reason to go over the mountain. I promise I will
> sometime, Tom. This idea will span the cold season!
> Erik
>
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aka The Orient Express
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"The game is afoot!"
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: jjp (exposto1@airmail.net) | Date: 1998-12-03 16:45:07 UTC-05:00
>but hidden in such a fashion that it will never be
>checked out. I don't want to say just how that is arranged.


Geez, Thom...this is just the info I need...why's it such a secret?

Julie


"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm
frightened of the old ones." John Cage



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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Tom Cooch (tcooch@sover.net) | Date: 1998-12-04 05:05:17 UTC
Julie wrote ..

> >but hidden in such a fashion that it will never be
> >checked out. I don't want to say just how that is arranged.
>
>
> Geez, Thom...this is just the info I need...why's it such a secret?
>
> Julie
>
No secret, Julie, just that this would be a spoiler for anyone
actually coming here to look for the book - and I hope there will be
a couple of list people close enough who do.

I'll write to you off-list and tell you how it works for this book.

Tom


Tom Cooch
tcooch@sover.net

aka The Orient Express
Braintree, VT

"The game is afoot!"
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: (FencePoste@aol.com) | Date: 1998-12-04 21:37:31 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 98-12-02 20:59:39 EST, elf@pclink.com writes:

<<
That's the method of letterbooking that I remember. I was just wondering
what
happens if clue #1 reads, "Go to The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, page
14."
but Huckelberry Finn happens to be checked
out. Should there be multiple ways to derive the clues so if a
book that's critical to the clues is checked out there would be an
alternative
way to get the stamp? Does this make sense? Or would
it be OK if you just have to wait or find the book elsewhere?

Dan >>

I can't begin to imagine the work involved but I have 2 thoughts: One, it
would be part of the thrill (anticipation!!) for me to have to WAIT (even be
put on a WAITING LIST at the library) to get the proper book(s)...BUT
Two, somehow, somewhere, the same clue could be obtained from more than one
book... if Huck Finn ain't there, try The Secret Garden page 99.... and so on
LOL Some books' clues may be more easily interpreted than others, but all
point to the same place????

This sounds like WORK!!!
Lynn
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: (FencePoste@aol.com) | Date: 1998-12-04 21:51:05 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 98-12-03 22:16:21 EST, exposto1@airmail.net writes:

<<

Geez, Thom...this is just the info I need...why's it such a secret?

Julie
>>


hehehehe why do you think???? you're supposed to go FIND it!!!!
LOL
Lynn
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Raymond Hasson (Hassons@compuserve.com) | Date: 1998-12-05 17:01:54 UTC-05:00
Lynn,
Ideally you could use a work in the reference section...say, Barlett's
or something similar. Always there, always available. This is certainly a
prolific group.
There be letterboxes in CT if anyone's interested, down in the
Mystic/New London/casino area. The local EMS store at Crystal Mall in
Waterford CT is acting at the clearing house for clues. At last count
there were 8 letterboxes in this area, although one has already been
tampered with and may not have been replaced yet.
No one here has taken to carving their own stamps yet. Does anyone
have any pointers, help, etc., for doing this? Also the idea of
letterbooking is new to me but again sounds interesting and
challenging...details, please if anyone has time.

Ray,

aka: Otter be...
Ledyard, CT
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1998-12-05 17:41:47 UTC-06:00
Raymond Hasson wrote:
> Does anyone
> have any pointers, help, etc., for doing this? Also the idea of
> letterbooking is new to me but again sounds interesting and
> challenging...details, please if anyone has time.
>
> Ray,

Letterbooking is new to all of us Ray. As for hand carving stamps try the
Letterbox USA page at http://www.pclink.com/elf
and click on Getting Started and #1) a stamp.
Also feel free to ask specific questions to the group. There are lots of stamp
carvers in our group who will give input.

I've been to Bridgeport, Waterbury and Terryville, CT as well as City Island, NY
which is just south of Bridgeport. Where is Waterford in relation to one of
these places?

Dan
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: (FlyinRibit@aol.com) | Date: 1998-12-05 19:00:52 UTC-05:00
Ray ----thats exciting that there are letterboxes in ct too. being from nh it
won't be too long of a trip to find them.

Nisa ----- thanks for the directions i will try my best to get there this
week. i am looking forward to it.

pax,
danielle
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: (FlyinRibit@aol.com) | Date: 1998-12-05 20:16:09 UTC-05:00
i also finished carving my stamp for my first letterbox in NH. the stamp is
real small and quite primitive, but it will do. it certainly looks better
than the one i carved as my signature stamp, i'm not sure anyone will even
know what it is on my signature stamp, its kind of hard to make it out. but
at any rate i hope to have my letterbox out this weekend coming, at the
latest, as i need to get it out there before it snows or i will never get it
out this year! it is going to be at welton falls on cardigan mountain in
alexandria, nh. it's a cute little waterfall with a lot of privacy.

pax,
danielle
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Raymond Hasson (Hassons@compuserve.com) | Date: 1998-12-08 08:01:00 UTC-05:00
Dan,

Waterford is on the coast (I95) just outside of New London, which is
the last sizable city before you cross into Rhode Island heading north. If
I can be of help to any of the group interested in stamping up down this
way let me know.

Ray,

aka: Otter be...
Ledyard, CT
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[L-USA] Re: Letterbooks?

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1998-12-08 17:13:45 UTC-06:00
Raymond Hasson wrote:
> Dan,
> Waterford is on the coast (I95) just outside of New London,
> which is the last sizable city before you cross into Rhode Island
> heading north. If I can be of help to any of the group interested
> in stamping up down this way let me know.

Ray aka. Otter be,
Just a guess, but I'll bet everyone on the list would be thrilled if
you participate by publishing to our site. Its free. Its non-profit.
And its the best bunch of people you ever will meet (as far as you can meet
people through the internet). Contact me privately if you are interested. If I
put your information on the site I will let everyone know where to find it.
Welcome aboard. Letterboxing is the best thing since sliced bread!
Dan aka. Dan'l or MN-Dan
Minneapolis, MN
mailto:elf@pclink.com
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